Bookcast Episode 125: Heart to heart

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DL White [00:00:14]:
I don't know how many times I recorded this but. Hi. Hello. Hi book friends. Welcome back to the bookcast. This is episode 125 of my author podcast where I talk about reading and writing Black Love in real life as a self published author. I am coming to you live from my in progress recording closet. And I am.

DL White [00:00:40]:
I'm squoze up in here. I got my little desk and a lamp and my mic and my headphones and my computer and it's a little hot in here but other than that it's all, it's all pretty good. I'm pretty happy at the moment. I need some like soundproofing on the wall so the noise doesn't like bounce off the walls. But you know, for the. I'm feeling good about this little room and I'm excited about some doing some self narrated audio coming up soon. So anyhow. Hi, who am I? Who am I? If you are new to this podcast, I am DL White.

DL White [00:01:17]:
I'm an Atlanta based author. I am also very much a reader and I am a storyteller. If you like this podcast or the idea of this podcast if you're new, welcome. By the way, the best way to support me and podcasts like this is to buy the books. Booksbydlwhite.com shop has all of your books by DLWhite needs, including my newest release, Missing Persons, a young investigations novel. I'm pretty proud of it. We're gonna talk a lot about missing persons today. You'll also find print editions on my bookshop.org shelf.

DL White [00:01:50]:
So that way you're supporting indie bookstores and me at the same time. You can find the link to my shelf on my links page@booksbydlwhite.com linkinbio Today is Sunday, August 17, 2025 and I'm in Atlanta in my new recording room. I'm trying to call it a studio but also trying not to be too. I don't know, I don't. I don't know what's the word. But anyway, my new recording studio. I have a mic, I have a drink and a lot on my mind. So after a bitty beverage break, let's get into it.

DL White [00:02:51]:
All right friends, welcome back. I hope your break was refreshing as was mine. Today's beverage was. I have a little, I don't know, I don't know how many ounces. That is like a 30 ounce Stanley with some vitamin water 0 squeezed which is their lemonade. I put in some splashes of sugar free raspberry syrup and A can of like a mini can of Sprite zero over ice. It's very refreshing and delicious. I'm excited about it.

DL White [00:03:28]:
Let's begin with the book report because if I'm going to do anything, I'm going to what? Read a book. I am at 112 of 175books. Read on my Goodreads challenge. I am at 64% toward my goal. I'm three books ahead of schedule and I am darn happy about that. What I got read this week, let's get into that because I'm excited about it. Awakening Winston hills novel by C.M. barnes.

DL White [00:03:58]:
So Nassian Barnes is one of my new writing ass writer friends. She also co hosts the Lit Library podcast. I had the pleasure of appearing on the Lit Library podcast with C.M. barnes and D.H. renfro. We talked a lot about writing, we talked a lot about reading. We just had a good ass time. So you want to hop on over there to the Lit Library and take in that episode because it was really good and I had a ton of fun.

DL White [00:04:26]:
But let's talk about Awakening because let me just admit something to you all to you people. Even though I write the books with the sexy times in them, I am not much of an erotica girl. So I approach an erotica typically on like an author by author or a book by book basis. And the book by book basis of Awakening was, yes, this was super good. Not only because there's a lot of, there's a lot of super hot sex in it, but there's also a really great story in this. So if you are looking for a story that's strictly sex, you won't find it in Awakening. There is a romance and there is also an erotic tinge to it. So you kind of get the best of both worlds, if you know what I'm saying.

DL White [00:05:19]:
I think there's a Book three coming and I'm just gonna say I'm not an erotica reader, but I am a CM Barnes reader. So go ahead and bring it. This is actually Book two. Book one is Enigma, which probably should have finished that one first, but you know, whatever. New books are shiny. New books are very shiny. This one came out August 8th and I think I finished this one on the 11th, so I jumped right into it. I did.

DL White [00:05:45]:
I also read the Devil's Advocate, which is Eddie Flynn Number six by Steve Kavanaugh. Something else I just jump right into. Never heard of Steve Kavanaugh before. I don't know who Eddie Flynn is, but let me tell you, baby, baby, after reading this book. I'm a Steve Kavanaugh fan. I am already deep into his catalog. I have already read 13, which is Eddie Flynn number four by Steve Kavanaugh. And I'm currently reading Witness 8 by Steve Kavanaugh, which is Eddie Flynn number six.

DL White [00:06:14]:
I'm sorry, Eddie Flynn number eight. Yes. I am reading them out of order. And do I already have the next book on pre order? Absolutely I do. Now, you'll recognize I have a little bit of an obsessive thing about authors. When I find somebody who has a back catalog and I really like their writing, I will just dig up everything they've ever written. I did the same thing with Robert New a couple summers ago. I read through the entire Tracy Cross White series in about a month, and now I'm just feigning for every new Tracy Cross White book there is.

DL White [00:06:44]:
I did the same thing with Kendra Elliott and with. What is that woman's name? Melissa something. Kendra Elliott. And I don't know, somebody. It'll come to me at 3am Anyhow, it's what I do. I was never a series girl before, but, you know, give me a good legal thriller and I am in there. I'm in there, man. I also read the Dating Prohibition by Taj McCoy.

DL White [00:07:07]:
This was an advanced listening copy, I think. I got this from Annette Galley. It publishes on September 2nd. And it's really good. It's really good. It's super cute. It is. I don't remember the story offhand.

DL White [00:07:19]:
Like, I remember it, but not, like, exact details. I would have to read it a couple more times to really pull details out of it. I do remember that it was good. It was good. Like, it's a. It's your romance. It's a typical. It's a typical, like, feel good, steamy, sweet.

DL White [00:07:38]:
Like, kick up your feet and squeal while you're reading it. Romance. And there ain't nothing wrong with that. You know, I'm saying I got to stop saying you know what I'm saying, because I listen back on my own podcast because I like the sound of my own voice. And I say that a lot. And I've got to stop saying that. It's going on my list of things I'm not allowed to say anymore. We'll see how much I obey myself.

DL White [00:08:06]:
Again, I mentioned I'm currently reading Witness 8, which is Eddie Flynn number eight by Steve Kavanaugh. I'm reading the series out of order because I'm just impatient and I'm reading what I can get to. What's Available via Libby Hoopla. This one's on Everand. So I'm just bouncing back and forth. They can be read in any order. There is like a bit of a continuing story, but it's not that hard to grasp. So I've been on a really legal thriller kick and I'm not, I'm not mad at it, especially since, you know, writing missing persons.

DL White [00:08:43]:
Like, I love romance, but legal thrillers and crime thrillers and police procedurals, those are my jam. That's what I read when I am not reading romance. So, um, quick rundown of what's been on my screen because y' all know me, I have to avoid what's going on out there by being deep into my to be watched list. So there is a couple of documentaries on Netflix. I've been into one on crack cocaine, corruption and conspiracy. Um, I think I watched this a few years ago, but I've been watching it back just because if there's anything on a drug outside marijuana, I'm watching it. Heroin, meth, cocaine. I, I, for some reason I'm into it.

DL White [00:09:36]:
I will watch. I op. Opioids. Yeah, I'm, I'm into it. I don't know. And then I watched Fit for tv, the Reality of the Biggest Loser. I was really looking forward to this and counting down until it was live. So you bet your butt.

DL White [00:09:50]:
On Friday night I made myself something yummy for dinner and I sat down and watched that. It's three episodes. It's a very good watch. I think if you were at all interested in the Biggest Lose, should definitely tune in. I thought it was a good watch. And then I watched bits of I Am a Killer. I want to be into it, but it drags for me a little bit. I'm kind of in and out.

DL White [00:10:12]:
And then High Town. I do remember watching that when it was on. I think it was on hbo. And I never got past episode one and I still haven't made it past episode one. I don't think Hightown is going to work out for me. But, you know, it's, it's, it's very. Episode one's very flashy and there's a lot happening. You know, a woman I don't know finds a dead girl on the beach and then she's in a car accident and gets fired and a bunch of like, you know, it's a lot of down on.

DL White [00:10:41]:
Down on their luck and like, I don't have anything else to do, so I might as well solve a murder type of thing. So I don't know we'll see. And then I have been really digging into my Filo subscription. So I use. I subscribe to Hulu tv, so I get all of the TV plus all the movies, et cetera, on Hulu. And I also subscribe to Filo so I can catch all the channels that Hulu doesn't have, like A, E. History, Lifetime, Hallmark, bet, etc, so, you know, I get all of that and I share the subscription with one of my friends and she watches all of the, all the housewife shows, all the reality shows. So, like, I'm scrolling through and I'm like, what are you watching? But I have been kind of digging some of the movies that they have had.

DL White [00:11:33]:
So I watched Sinister Surgeon and Safe Room, which I think were both on Hallmark. Those were very good movies. Like kind of the. The acting's kind of iffy, but the story was good enough to hold me. Sinister Surgeon was about a. A woman that joins a cosmetic surgery practice. And one of the surgeons is suspected of killing his patients. And safe for him was with Boris Kojo and Nicole RE Parker and this young single woman with her autistic son move into a house and her son witnesses a murder.

DL White [00:12:11]:
And now they have to try to fend off these, these. The killers. You know, Boris Kojo is also in it. And I haven't seen them in a movie together since. I can't remember what movie they were in together. It wasn't Soul food. It was something. I don't remember.

DL White [00:12:29]:
But it was pretty good. It was actually pretty good. It was on seeing Boris in that kind of role. And I heard he actually also directed that. So good stuff. And then the Aurora Teagarden mysteries, I watched one of those. They're like. They are.

DL White [00:12:46]:
It's a series of movies featuring one investigator. So it's not an investigative series like Murder, She Wrote or like Matlock where it's like a one episode, like episodic, but it's a actual movie. So this was like 202 minutes of one movie. So I watched one of the Aurora Tea Garden mysteries and it was pretty good. And then I watched Ruby Herring mysteries. There's only three of them. And I was kind of upset about that because I would watch 10,000 of them. Silent Witness, Her Last Breath and Prediction Murder, all really good.

DL White [00:13:21]:
I mean, they're. They're Hallmark mysteries. So, you know, kind of like predictable, so, so acting, but also entertaining. Like, you know, I'll spend, you know, 90 minutes watching that. So that was pretty good. And then I started watch Prison Brides on Lifetime and that was interesting. I only watched one episode of that. That's about all I could take of Prison Brides.

DL White [00:13:47]:
So let's pop over to the writing and publishing update because it's short because I'm not writing. I am. I'm not really writing anything. I'm not writing anything commercial until September. I'm giving my brain a. A bit of a break. And I finished Missing Persons Literally August 4th is when I got my second pass edits back. And it went up on the 5th.

DL White [00:14:14]:
So I did my edits super lickety split and put it up and it started distributing on the 5th. And then I've decided I'm just going to take a break through August. And in September I'm going to pick up Potter Lake 4. And I think I have already determined that I've just gotta. What I have. I kind of need to rip it apart and put it back together. I have some. What I feel like is some stream of consciousness writing in that.

DL White [00:14:43]:
And I kind of need to like really pare it down to actual story and stop rambling and really figure out what this story is about. Like, what are my themes and what is my character? What are my characters want and why can't they have it? And how can we get through to this? And how can I, you know, bring my themes through even deeper? You know, how can I bring some drama to this story? So I'm going to start writing on that, working on that in September. September and October are going to be solely focused on Powder Lake 4. And then I'm hoping I can get that to my editor early November so that it can be out in December. And then while she has the edits, I'm just going to pound out something quick for a holiday short at the end of the year. I hope so. I am writing a little bit of fun, though. August is always our awesome August challenge.

DL White [00:15:40]:
Over at the NSYNC Fiction Archive, it is the time of year when we have our biggest, most popular challenge. I don't know why I'm saying most popular because I really only have five stories. It's our lowest participation year ever. But the boys have been very, very dormant. And so there's not really much out there to encourage them. Since the challenge came back, I feel like we have had lower participation every year. But the challenge came back the year that the boys came off hiatus and then we have not seen them since. So one of them has been on tour for two years, not naming any names, but hopefully we might see some more from them.

DL White [00:16:25]:
And that might be a little bit encouraging and give the guys, give the writers, I guess, a little bit of inspiration. Anyhow, I am writing a fun little ditty called the Wedding Guest. It's my awesome August 2025 challenge story where Joey drags JC to a wedding as his plus one, but they end up becoming emergency groomsmen when two of the original guys get alcohol poisoning. So JC meets a lovely bridesmaid named Sabine, who's actually an event planner and a former Backstreet Boys fan. I always love. I like throwing the Backstreet Boys in. I am not a a Backstreet fan. They only sing one song that I can handle.

DL White [00:17:06]:
But I like to put a little bit of like banter into a story because I know so many of the readers and writers are fans of both groups. Lots of chemistry in there, lots of banter about boy band rivalries and a very, very pink wedding reception. At one point, JC mentions he feels like he's sitting inside a uterus. So needless to say, I'm having a ball. I'm four chapters in. It's about to get a little bit spicy. I haven't been cross posting this one to my short fiction substack shortfictionbydlwhite.substack.com I think I'm going to wait until I finish it and then port it over all at once if I do it all. Because if anything gets zero views, it's my fan fiction over at Substack.

DL White [00:17:54]:
You know what I'm saying? See, I have to stop saying that. It's just a thing I say when I don't know what else to say. So stop saying that. All right. Our main topic this week is Missing persons. This was a new release. It came out August 5th, which was coincidentally my nephew's 23rd birthday. I think.

DL White [00:18:15]:
I don't know. I can't Justice, I can't remember when you were born. He's either 23 or 24. I think he's 23 and my brother's my little brother's 50th and I only know how old he is because it's me, my age minus one. Sometimes I have to call him and ask how old he is so I can remember how old I am. So a little bit of a reality check on the release and the sales of this. The release. This came out very slow.

DL White [00:18:40]:
It wasn't really announced. I did not do pre orders for this book. I did do a very short arc period. The advanced readers seem to really like the book and reviews are slowly, slowly trickling in I don't make a huge habit of checking them, but I do like to see where the ratings are sitting. And they're looking, they're looking pretty good. Sales numbers though are in. It's actually like the first two weeks we're at 45 units sold, so 166 in profit. I did run a couple of ads, but most of them were like, you know, a dollar here, a dollar there, five.

DL White [00:19:20]:
I think I did an ad for like $20 on Facebook. Like I don't, I don't ever really ad money. So it's not like I have like thousands of dollars in ads out there. 166. And I want to talk about what that those numbers really mean, how it feels when your launch doesn't hit like you thought it would, and why I am sharing real numbers instead of spinning them into a success story. Because if, if I'm going to be one thing, I'm going to be realistic and I'm going to give you the big picture because I know that there are not only read Aspire to be authors, but also authors who are just beginning their career. And there's, there's a lot to be said for having a positive outlook and I absolutely do. But I also, I like to be realistic because what, what keeps me up at night and what, what pokes at me, you know, when the sun goes down is like the reality of this business.

DL White [00:20:23]:
How much I spend and what can I do better and what kind of promo can I put out there and how can I get my book front of eyes and how can I entice people to read this book? Those are things that I think about all the time. And so if I'm thinking about them all the time, other people are thinking about them all the time too. So let's all think about them all the time together, you know, so here's a big picture. I, I've already beaten my 2024 earnings. Last year I made $2,438 total. Like that, that pays like one month of my mortgage. You know, this year through August I'm at 2,822, 383 ahead of my full 2024 total with four months to go. If I keep at this pace, if I'm adding in my in person sales.

DL White [00:21:16]:
I did Black Romance Book Fest this year and I did Indie Love this year. I will be at 4233 for the year, which is a 73% growth over last year. So I mean, I guess the moral of this story is get out of the house, go sell books. So this year I'm also doing Black Book Bash, which will also add to my revenue for the year. So, I mean, in person sales, I have to say, count for a lot. In person expenses are also a lot. So remember I talked about after Black Romance Book Fest, I have, you know, three days of hotel and I had, you know, three days of parking and food, plus the cost of printing and, you know, shipping books. And so I have to, I have to cover all of that.

DL White [00:22:07]:
So it's not exactly profit, but it is revenue. And a lot of those expenses I can expense as a taxable cost. So definitely keeping track of all those to turn over to my CPA. So missing persons first week of $166. Not really Instagram worthy. It's not really worth bragging about, but it's part of a business that's growing steadily. That first week represents about 6% of my year to date earnings. It's not amazing for a launch.

DL White [00:22:43]:
It's actually disappointing to me. But it's not catastrophic either when you look at the whole picture. So reality of the miniscule plus the whole picture. But I want to talk about holding both truths. When you're celebrating real growth but you're being honest about an individual disappointment, what comes next when your book launch is just okay, but your overall trajectory seems solid? A little heart to heart with myself that I feel like I have to have after every book launch. I am not ex author. I am not a popular author. I am not an author that sells gangbusters.

DL White [00:23:29]:
I am not busting the knobs off any doors when my books release. And this is something that I have to tell myself to sort of counter the feelings of disappointment every time I release and I sell like four books. And you know, some days I feel like I could be good enough to pitch a trad editor or a publisher. The next day I feel like I could never put out another book and nobody would care. Like, nobody's clamoring for my books. Nobody's like, oh my God, when's your next book out? They're so good. And when I say nobody, I mean nobody, like outside of the regular people that will buy my book and read it. Like, I get a lot of, I bought your book and it's coming up and I'll get to it.

DL White [00:24:16]:
And I don't have the kind of book where people are like, shove everything off the desk and open this immediately because I just know it's gonna be so good. I have a comfort read. I have A know it's going to be good and so they're not really in a hurry to dig into it. I don't get. I don't get messy. I don't get dramatic. I just have like a feel good story, a soft place to land. And this is a thing that I tell myself that this is my lane and this is where I want to swim.

DL White [00:24:44]:
But also I'm. I'm upset that I'm not in another lane and I don't swim elsewhere. And that, that do do ology. That duality in my mind drives me crazy. But also like, I don't know. I don't know what to do with that. I don't know what to do. Feeling like I announced missing persons and there was so little fanfare about the blurb release, about talking about the book, about the COVID reveal, I felt like I kind of considered not publishing it.

DL White [00:25:13]:
I mean, if y' all don't want it, I don't have to spend the time and the money having it edited and publishing it. But like, who am I thinking? Who am I? Who am I? What am I talking about? It's absolutely coming out, you know, like. Like I do feel like I do so much cheerleading for people, and I don't get that in return. Like, am I. Am I really not that good? Are people just being nice? You know, there's an emotional whiplash with being an author. It's very real. I can swing from maybe I should query an agent or an editor to maybe I should quit in the same day. And I, I went through this with Elysium a lot with Elysium.

DL White [00:25:55]:
Like, I almost quit after Elysium because I put my ass into that book. Like, my ass and both my feet into that book. That's the first book where I paid for editing and I was like, this book is sexy. This book is straightforward. This book is going to catch all of the girlies and they're all just gonna love it. And I put it out and people were like, okay, thanks. I almost quit after Elysium. For real, for real, for real.

DL White [00:26:23]:
I almost quit. It's hot in here. Let me open this door. There's some cool air. Sometimes that feeling could be based on a single review. Sometimes it's based on lack of response to a social media post. It's not about my worth as a writer really, but it's about vulnerability of putting my creative work into the world and not feeling like it gets a good response. The cheerleading imbalance kind of hits me hard because I show up for a Lot of people for everyone else's launches and I celebrate their wins and I share their posts and then my announcement gets like 8 likes and no comments.

DL White [00:27:07]:
It doesn't mean people don't care about the work. I think it means that social media engagement is weird and it's unpredictable and some of my biggest fans are the quietest online. I do still get a lot of dms and messages and comments under older posts. Like, I read this and it was so good. Like, I recently talked about how Tori, who is black romance connoisseur, had posted about Calculated Risk about a month ago. And I just so appreciate how she goes hard for indie authors. And every so often I get a notification about replies to that post and I never look at them because, like, you never know what people are saying, especially on TikTok. But last night I went through and I read every single comment and it was so full of, oh my God, I love her.

DL White [00:27:55]:
I saw her at Black Romance Book Fest and I didn't get to say hi. And I just bought, you know, this book in the Black diamond series and it was really good and I gotta get this book. And I just love Rubies and like, it was so full of good words that I really, really, really needed to hear because I was looking at numbers for missing persons and feeling. It was feeling. It was feeling very. This. It was feeling very, I don't need to write another goddamn book. It was feeling very, why am I.

DL White [00:28:28]:
Why am I doing this? Like, if I do this, if I never, if I never release another book ever again, will anybody care? It was feeling. I was, I was feeling things. You know what I'm saying? You can be genuinely talented and just not have a fan base that aches for your work. You know, Like, I do see other people that be like, so and so is like, my ride or die. Like, my queen, I die for her pen. I love her books. Like, can I get a book on so and so coming out soon? Like, are you writing anything new? I need a new book. Put out your pre orders for Black Romance Book Fest right now.

DL White [00:29:06]:
The event is nine months from now. I am not thinking about Black Romance book fest until 2026. But there are people asking authors to put up their pre orders so they can pay for them so they can be sure to get their books in May of 2026. Like, I ain't got it. I ain't got that. Some. Some authors are really amazing and they don't get the recognition. Some of us are out here just very quietly pushing forward and like, as much as I feel like I don't need to be talking about nobody but me, I don't need to be talking about Nobody's books but D.L.

DL White [00:29:49]:
white's books. I also, like, feel that I know what it feels like to not get recognition for hard work. And I see people out there grinding, and I see people out there releasing good books and not really getting a whole lot of fanfare about it. And if anybody is gonna to pump you up, if anybody is going to pimp your book out, it's going to be me. That's an NSync lyric anyway. So the growth paradox are that my numbers show steady progress, but my growth feels very slow when I'm living it day by day. Like, do I sell a few books a day? Absolutely. Absolutely.

DL White [00:30:40]:
I'm. I'm still at over 200 bucks for the month, which is a good month for me. Like, a hundred bucks is a good month for me. I'm building something real, even if it doesn't feel exciting in a moment. 815 units sold means 815 people chose to spend money on my words. That's not nobody. That's not nobody. That's a small theater worth of people who have trusted me enough to buy my book.

DL White [00:31:08]:
So the truth is, I might be better than I think, but building an audience takes longer than perhaps my talent deserves. I think new and seasoned authors need to hear this part, this ruminating and this like, soul searching in this heart to heart type of situation, and could stand with being brutally honest about our books and about our talent. Every launch for me, every launch since COVID has felt like a really slow burn, like pushing a boulder uphill. The releases have been slow. Like, not for everybody, but for me. And for smaller, smaller authors, the reading landscape has really changed. People's attention spans, their spending habits, how they discover books is all, all different. And what used to work doesn't work anymore.

DL White [00:32:04]:
And nobody wants to admit that launches are weaker than they used to be. I see authors doing elaborate launch campaigns, Kickstarters and, you know, TikTok stuff, and manufactured controversy to get eyes and whatever the latest algorithm hack might be. But I am not willing to turn my books into content. I'm not a performance artist. I'm. I rarely put my face on social media. I just. I'm gonna be honest.

DL White [00:32:37]:
I don't like my face. So I don't put it out there because I can just imagine some troll getting a hold of it and like, no, I can't take, I can't take any of that. So I would rather have authentic slow growth than viral moments that don't translate into act leadership. Because yes, you can go viral with a book or a hot take and not have any sales on your books at all. Or you can have negative sales on your books. You can have a bunch of people 1 star your book on Goodreads and you can have people like, you know, return all the books they have ever bought and put you into the negative on Amazon. So maybe, you know, everyone's posting about their quote unquote successful launches and being quote unquote overwhelmed by the response. But like how many of us are being honest about the numbers without conflating it and without trying to spin it into a huge success story? How many of us are struggling with the same slow burn but afraid to say it? The publishing community has to have more people that are willing to say this shit is hard.

DL White [00:33:51]:
My launch was mediocre, but I'm still a good writer. And I'm still a good writer. Maybe I don't pack a punch, but I do have staying power. I am out here for the long haul. Currently. Currently for the long haul. Like even if I stopped publishing, I would never pull my books offline. They would all just stay online and then I would just go to my corner and just be bitter about it and read my face off.

DL White [00:34:21]:
But readers who find my books definitely stick around. That's more worth more to me than being a flash in the pan viral moment type of author. Building a sustainable career to me is different than building a moment. So you know, at this point I feel like I do better when I choose authentic authenticity. Authenticity. That is a word I can say over algorithms and it's a harder path, but potentially a more lasting one. So that's enough navel gazing and chit chat for the day. Is Sunday afternoon at 6:15pm I have to get this episode edited and up and then I'm gonna go finish my Steve Kavanaugh book and find some food to eat before my stomach turns in in on itself.

DL White [00:35:14]:
But I certainly hope you had a great time listening today and I hope that some of this episode resonated with you. Whether you're a reader or you're an author or you aspire to be an author, I hope something in it spoke to you and you were able to translate it to something that means something to you. If that did happen, please share this episode with another author or another reader who might need to hear it. You can also please leave a rating wherever you listen or drop a comment on Apple, Spotify, Substack or YouTube. You can also hit my website. It'll be at booksbydlwhite.com bookcast125 and on my substack@author dlwhite.substack.com you can find me online at Blue sky books by dlwhite.com or on Instagram threads, Facebook, Tik tok or substack at author DL White. You can support this podcast by shopping my books@booksbydl white.com shop. You can buy me a coffee@buymeacoffee.com books by DL White.

DL White [00:36:19]:
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DL White [00:36:59]:
Read something good and I'll talk to you soon. Bye Bye.